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Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postby Sun Fin » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:09 pm

This isn't the quote I first thought of but it's from page 148 of Everyday life in Early Imperial China which is also written by Michael Leowe:

The clay models often included signs of habitation, such as human figures at their daily tasks, or dogs that lay in their kennels or kept watch over their property.


Clearly this quote is talking about some statues found from the period, however a statue representing reality. I'll keep looking and see if I can find the actual quote I recalled as well!

EDIT: Found it! This is taken from p122 of Bing, written in the form of a novel but by Leowe, whose primary purpose was to demonstrate social history in the Han era:

Even so, he kept two fearsome husky dogs, trained to give the alarm.


I'm afraid that's it though. The extent of references I can find.
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Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postby Jia Nanfeng » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:39 pm

Thanks for your research Sun Fin. :mrgreen:

I'm interested in that Everyday Life in Early Imperial China book now. Another addition to the buy list. :lol:
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Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postby Sun Fin » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:47 pm

You should, it's a really helpful book! While I find Loewe's writing style hard going - its very dense - he is the best in his field and it is full of information about the era. Just to note, his real specialism is the Early Han so not all of it will be completely accurate for our normal era but it's pretty close! Also, it's less than £5 new on amazon! Hardly gonna make a dent in your budget...
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Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postby DaoLunOfShiji » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:59 pm

I've been trying to find where it was I read it, but there was some book that had a few lines on cats and dogs, once serving guard duties (and rat catching), becoming house hold pets in certain provinces. No dice though. I can't find it anywhere in my resources.
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Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postby Qin Feng » Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:37 pm

What can you guys tell me about Xu Shu? He seems really badass. From the novel, at least. Apparently there's no SGZ biography for him.
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Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postby DaoLunOfShiji » Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:42 pm

Here is a translation of Xu Shu's mini bio from the Weilue, translated by Shu-Han Zhao Lie Di on 3kfrontier

Wei Lue: Xu Shu, styled Yuanzhi, was originally named Fu and was son from the Shan family. At a young age he was chivalrous and likes swordplay. Toward the end of Zhongping [184 - 189], he revenged for someone else and is captured by the authority when he tried to escape with his hair down. When asked who he was, he gave no reply. The officials tied him up on a cart and brought him through the market to ask if people knew him, none dared to recognize him. However, his friend, Wu Gongcuan, came and saved him. After thanked his friend, Fu gave up swordsmanship and dedicated his life to scholarly knowledge. When he went to school, the scholars there heard he was a criminal and distanced themselves from him. Fu then wake up early each morning and did all the cleaning. He listened closely to the lectures and grasped other's heart. As a result, he knew the materials inside-out and excelled in his study. He became great friends with a man named, Shi Tou, styled Guangyuan. In the middle of Chuping [190 - 193], there was a lot of uprising in Zhongzhou. So they left for Jingzhou where they met and built a friendship with Zhuge Liang. When Jingzhou was surrendered, Kongming followed Liu Bei but Fu and Tou came north. In the middle of Huangchu [220 - 226 AD], Shi Tou was a magistrate and Dian Nong Jiao Wei. Xu Shu became You Zhong Lang Jiang and Yu Shi Zhong Cheng. In the middle of Dahe [227 - 233], Zhuge Liang arrived in Longyou and heard that Xu Yuanzhi and Shi Guangyuan receive rank as such, he sighed, "Alas! Wei has many talents! Or else why were they not used?" After a few years, Xu Shu died of sickness. His epitaph is now in Pangcheng until now.
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Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:38 pm

Sorry I'm bad with maps but is Bohai in Ji province or outside it?
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Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postby Han » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:33 pm

Eastern portion of Ji.

Just google image 'detailed map of three kingdoms'. Hope this helps.
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Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postby Fornadan » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:37 pm

Dong Zhou wrote:Sorry I'm bad with maps but is Bohai in Ji province or outside it?

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Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:16 am

Thank you both
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