ivolga wrote:1. What happened to lady Zou after Wancheng? If her historical fate is unknown, are there any unreliable (e.g. folklore) versions?
2. Loyalty to the lord vs loyalty to the family: which was considered more important at that time? And what happened when they clashed?
As far as I understand, from the Confucian point of view, the family relations should have been valued higher (e.g., Xu Shu changing sides because of his mother).
Yet there are cases when members of the same clan, or even brothers served different warlords and were on different sides in conflicts: Zhuge Jin and Zhuge Liang, Xun Chen and Xun Yu.
Are there other examples of close relatives serving opposing warlords?
In such cases, were they distrusted because of doubts in their true allegiance?
And, according to the ethics of that time, what should be the ideal behavior in such situation: to forget about family relations and continue to serve their respective lords, or to leave the service?
Sun Fin wrote:Also what was the relationship between the Cao clan and the Yuan clan? I know Cao Cao was subordinate to Yuan Shao initially but was that because of a personal friendship or their status in He Jin's faction or due to a deeper family connection?
Jia Shengde wrote:When did Liu Zhang die? Kongming.net says in 219, but also: 'Historically, he became a vassal of Sun Quan after the death of Guan Yu.' According to wikipedia Guan Yu dies in 220 (using the ZZTJ as source). Wikipedia also claims that the date of Liu Zhang's death is unknown. What is correct?
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