Destiny of an Emperor; Hero of Chaos Mod (Cao Cao Mod)

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Re: Destiny of an Emperor; Hero of Chaos Mod (Cao Cao Mod)

Unread postby sonic.penguin » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:00 pm

I like Sima Yi in the Zhuge Liang role and Xu Shu in the Pang Tong role. When he surprise attacks you he's working for Liu Bei, but then you convince him to join after telling him you have his mom hostage. A couple other possibilities of guys that used to work for others then work for Cao Cao are Pang De and Jia Xu. Those 2 would work in that role too.

If this is the case, we need to figure out how the Pang Tong battle is set. Since he only appears in zones marked as Chapter 5 to my knoweldge, we would need to figure out how to change which Chapter he appears in. Currently, Jing Zhou where you chase Liu Bei down is Chapter 5 so.... either I'd need to change all of the zones on the map to chapter 4 and the player would fight Yuan Shao's guys all through Jing Zhou or we would need to find out how to make Pang Tongs battle in Chapter 6, AFTER the Liu Bei chase down...

Hmm, I could probably also make the event occur in the town after Red Cliffs....
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Re: Destiny of an Emperor; Hero of Chaos Mod (Cao Cao Mod)

Unread postby MiDKnighT » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:18 pm

sonic.penguin wrote:
I like Sima Yi in the Zhuge Liang role and Xu Shu in the Pang Tong role. When he surprise attacks you he's working for Liu Bei, but then you convince him to join after telling him you have his mom hostage. A couple other possibilities of guys that used to work for others then work for Cao Cao are Pang De and Jia Xu. Those 2 would work in that role too.

If this is the case, we need to figure out how the Pang Tong battle is set. Since he only appears in zones marked as Chapter 5 to my knoweldge, we would need to figure out how to change which Chapter he appears in. Currently, Jing Zhou where you chase Liu Bei down is Chapter 5 so.... either I'd need to change all of the zones on the map to chapter 4 and the player would fight Yuan Shao's guys all through Jing Zhou or we would need to find out how to make Pang Tongs battle in Chapter 6, AFTER the Liu Bei chase down...

Hmm, I could probably also make the event occur in the town after Red Cliffs....


I did something like this in the Yuan Shao mod but forgot how I did it. It's a matter of finding the event / battle info.
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Re: Destiny of an Emperor; Hero of Chaos Mod (Cao Cao Mod)

Unread postby sonic.penguin » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:06 am

Xu Shu for Pang Tong it is!
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Re: Destiny of an Emperor; Hero of Chaos Mod (Cao Cao Mod)

Unread postby sonic.penguin » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:30 pm

Okay, so I fixed a bunch of events related to Jingzhou after Red Cliffs, the death of Cao Cao, and Guan Yu, and have made the story relatively fluid along with a few surprises, however, now I need a direction to go. Invade Wu then Shu or vice-versa? Keep in mind, it is very hard to have back-and-forth battles that spawn BEHIND the player. It is nearly impossible except for say a few EVENT related battles that I can program in to appear at certain times but those are all but used up.

So what kind of story are we looking at? The zombie resurrection of Dong Zhuo like Rise of Lu Bu? Or the insanely difficult 'Path of Heaven' like Rise of Ieyasu? Or something more along the lines of history which would be really HARD to plan for but possible if I knew more DOAE history, but as far as I recall the forces of Wei were pretty stagnant after the loss at Red Cliffs and at Shi Ting.
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Re: Destiny of an Emperor; Hero of Chaos Mod (Cao Cao Mod)

Unread postby MiDKnighT » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:48 pm

sonic.penguin wrote:Okay, so I fixed a bunch of events related to Jingzhou after Red Cliffs, the death of Cao Cao, and Guan Yu, and have made the story relatively fluid along with a few surprises, however, now I need a direction to go. Invade Wu then Shu or vice-versa? Keep in mind, it is very hard to have back-and-forth battles that spawn BEHIND the player. It is nearly impossible except for say a few EVENT related battles that I can program in to appear at certain times but those are all but used up.

So what kind of story are we looking at? The zombie resurrection of Dong Zhuo like Rise of Lu Bu? Or the insanely difficult 'Path of Heaven' like Rise of Ieyasu? Or something more along the lines of history which would be really HARD to plan for but possible if I knew more DOAE history, but as far as I recall the forces of Wei were pretty stagnant after the loss at Red Cliffs and at Shi Ting.


I would go the history route in honor of the original Cao Cao mod. Some references:

Timeline: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o ... oms_period
Officer Biographies: http://kongming.net/novel/bios/
Three Kingdoms History: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kingdoms

Before Wu and Shu you could do some of the northwestern conquests like:

Battle of Tong Pass: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tong_Pass (in 211)
Battle of Yangping; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yangping

Lots of Wu and Shu battles you could use (in chronological order):

Battle of Xiaoyao Ford: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Xiaoyao_Ford
Hanzhong Campaign: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanzhong_Campaign
Battle of Ruxu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ruxu (in 217)
Battle of Fancheng: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fancheng
Battle of Jiangling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jiangling
Battle of Jieting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jieting
Battle of Wuzhang Plains: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wuzhang_Plains
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Re: Destiny of an Emperor; Hero of Chaos Mod (Cao Cao Mod)

Unread postby sonic.penguin » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:22 pm


So i messed this one up already... gonna have to change this in the mod as I have the battle of Tong Pass AFTER the fight battles with Yuan Shao...
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Re: Destiny of an Emperor; Hero of Chaos Mod (Cao Cao Mod)

Unread postby MiDKnighT » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:12 pm

sonic.penguin wrote:

So i messed this one up already... gonna have to change this in the mod as I have the battle of Tong Pass AFTER the fight battles with Yuan Shao...


No you're good. Yuan Shao was long gone by the time of the battle of Tong Pass.
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Re: Destiny of an Emperor; Hero of Chaos Mod (Cao Cao Mod)

Unread postby sonic.penguin » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:11 pm

Current flow of the mod is follows:

HERO OF CHAOS STORYLINE PROGRESSION

1. Starting with Huangfu Song and Lu Zhi to battle the (early) yellow scarves
2. Joining with Chen Gong to finish the Yellow Scarves and begin gathering an army
3. Joining of Cao Cao's basic armies and finding a home base to escape Dong Zhuo
4. Defeating Dong Zhuo only to be harangued by the forces of Li Jue
5. After Li Jue's destruction, the forces of Lu Bu rise up. Guan Yu joins while his brother fights Yuan Shu.
6. Destruction of Lu Bu and advancement on Yuan Shu/Split path to fight Zhang Xiu first (this was a hard one to manage)
7. Zhang Xiu/Yuan Shu defeat to Battle with Yuan Shao
8. Guan Yu helps defeat impossible odds then leaves the player.
9. Defeat of Yuan Shao to attack the armies of Ma Teng/Ma Chao
10. Advancement into Jingzhou and chasing of Liu Bei
11. Recruitment of Sima Yi event
12. Recruitment of Huang Gai and the Battle of Chi Bi
13. Capturing of Jiang Xia and entering the 3 Kingdoms period
14. Han Zhong and Xiang Yang captured by the forces of Shu


This is as far as I've gotten. I'm stuck on where to go next but at this point I'm removing Cao Cao from the game. The problem is where to go next. I'm going to move the battle with Ma Teng and Ma Chao to the bottom of this list by ramping up the difficulty and changing the map a bit so that it is more in line with historical events. But other than that, I've gotta open up the map and go after Wu or Shu.
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Re: Destiny of an Emperor; Hero of Chaos Mod (Cao Cao Mod)

Unread postby sonic.penguin » Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:46 pm

Okay, some slight modification to this... after Chi Bi, I'm going to somehow advance the player into Wu towards the battle of He Fei, in other words, instead of stock DOAE where you go West after Jingzhou, we're headed EAST. I'm going to delay the death of Cao Cao as he still needs to be around for the death of Guan Yu and Battles of Tong Pass/Han Zhong.
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Re: Destiny of an Emperor; Hero of Chaos Mod (Cao Cao Mod)

Unread postby sonic.penguin » Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:58 am

Need some input on this one. ROTK or more DW approach to a main character.

Before or After??

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