10/27/06: Ancient Chinese Coins and Destiny of an Emperor!

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10/27/06: Ancient Chinese Coins and Destiny of an Emperor!

Unread postby James » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:34 am

Sorry about the downtime here, and especially at <a href="/">Scholars of Shen Zhou</a>. Our server there experienced a critical system failure which resulted in a loss of all data. The database was restored from a backup dated seven days past, which means we lost some work, and I get to write this update post again. Unfortunate, because it is so big! Though that’s good news for you!

Most of our work for the past week was focused on the Destiny of an Emperor section. If you are an old-school gamer, rejoice, and read on! For the original <a href="http://kongming.net/doae/">Destiny of an Emperor</a>, we have written a guide on <a href="http://kongming.net/doae/secrets/mtp/">Mastering Your MTP</a>. For Destiny of an Emperor II we present two patches to the Japanese version of the game. One allows you to <a href="http://kongming.net/doae2/versions/#doae2jp_wei">play as Wei</a>, and another to <a href="http://kongming.net/doae2/versions/#doae2jp_wu">play as Wu</a>. You can enjoy a new <a href="http://kongming.net/doae2/versions/">Destiny of an Emperor II Game Versions Guide</a> which explains the differences, and allows you to download pre-patched ROMs of the different versions. Also, we created a <a href="http://kongming.net/games/dl/emulation/">Guide to ROMs and Emulation</a> to help introduce you to the world of playing old-school games on your computer.

But no, there’s more! We have finally created a new <a href="http://kongming.net/doae3/">Destiny of an Emperor III Home Page</a>! At this point content is focused on the fan-made Sega MasterSystem version of the game. Though the game is only available in Japanese, you now have enough tools to understand the menus and enjoy it, even if you can’t read the language. Start with Taishi Ci 2.0’s <a href="http://kongming.net/doae3/#faqs">wonderful strategy guide</a>, and read our new <a href="http://kongming.net/doae3/playguide/">English Playguide</a> to learn battle and game menu navigation. As it borrows a great deal from old games like Final Fantasy VI and VII, it should be even easier for post people to pick up. You can also enjoy our <a href="http://kongming.net/doae3/screenshots/">Collection of Screenshots</a>, and even learn how to <a href="http://kongming.net/doae3/gold_secret/">Start With 9,999,999 Gold</a>!

All this wonderful new Destiny of an Emperor content makes me want to mention another wonderful website which features as much info on the series as us. <a href="http://www.lordyuanshu.com" title="External: LordYuanShu.com" target="_blank">Lord Yuan Shu’s Realm</a> features not only extellent <a href="http://www.lordyuanshu.com/destiny_of_an_emperor/" title="External: LordYuanShu.com" target="_blank">Destiny of an Emperor content</a>, but also excellent details on other old classics like Legends of Cao Cao and Kongming, various Koei games, Final Fantasy, and Suikoden. Combined with <a href="http://koeiwarriors.simgames.net" title="External: KoeiWarriors.SimGame.net" target="_blank">Koei Warriors</a>, it is one of the best Three Kingdoms gaming sites on the ‘net!

What if you like historical content, or what if you are a fan of both? You haven’t been overlooked, and today we have a special treat to share. It is easy to get so caught up in the wonderful characters and deep storyline of the novel that you forget that there is an entire culture behind the Three Kingdoms, full of customs, clothing, weapons and armor, and other artifacts common to any society. We fill in one interesting gap today—coins! Enjoy the all-new addition to our <a href="http://kongming.net/novel/">Novel and History</a> section, <a href="http://kongming.net/novel/coins/">Ancient Chinese Coins from Han, Xin, Jin and Three Kingdoms Dynasties</a>, featuring an extensive collection of historical coins unearthed from these intriguing periods of time. This section’s photographs and content are entirely the work of our benevolent friend Adrian Loder (you may know him <a href="/viewtopic.php?t=15285">in our forum</a> as Liu YuanTe). Even if you aren’t a fan of coins, <a href="http://kongming.net/novel/coins/">have a look</a>—you will probably find it very interesting! And please do have a look at <a href="http://www.geocities.com/belewfripp/" title="External: Geocities.com/Belewfripp" target="_blank">his website</a>, <a href="http://www.geocities.com/belewfripp/ancientchina.html" title="External: Geocities.com/Belewfripp" target="_blank">full coins collection</a>, and our <a href="http://kongming.net/novel/coins/#credits">full credits</a> for the section.
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Unread postby James » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:10 am

If anyone posted feedback in the old version of this thread, by the way, I didn’t get to read it. *Kicks forum* I do love your feedback! So if you have anything to say, or if you see any errors, please let us know!
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Unread postby Adam » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:11 am

Speaking of errors.
http://the-scholars.com/novel/coins/
404 File not Found
And the /novel section as well
Actually almost all are 404 errors
I'm assuming you meant kongming.net and not the-scholars.com? :P
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Unread postby James » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:20 am

Yep. Thank you for pointing that out so quickly.
I would have been pretty upset with myself if I woke another morning to find nobody could access the content because I linked everything to Scholars of Shen Zhou. And I was curious to see what people thought of LiuYuanTe’s coins!

Not to mention all the Destiny of an Emperor goodies.
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Unread postby Adam » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:43 am

One of my pointless hobbies is collecting old coins, sadly being poor this constitutes mostly US coins from the late 1800's onward. I dunno why, but I've always found coins to be interesting, especially the incredibly old ones.
I only got through the Western Han - Wu Zhu coins, cause I got crap to do, but it's very interesting.
It's also always surprised me how some coins stay in such good shape after so long, I've got a penny I've had for a year that's almost completely worm through already. :P
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Unread postby Liu Yuante » Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:38 am

So, the last time I looked at the coins section was Saturday evening. Today I spent all my time playing on my Gamecube and then fell asleep for awhile. Eventually I wandered to the computer and checked my email - oh, another PM, I'd better check it. So I come to SOSZ and log in - no PMs. That's odd. And none of the coins-related messages are there anymore either. So I check the Ancient Coins thread for James' last post - not there. So I'm starting to wonder to myself "Did I get high Saturday and imagine the entire thing?"

But no, it turns out it does in fact exist. I hope that everyone likes it - James did an excellent job putting the design together, and it looks much better than I would ever manage on my own site.

Adam Sisemore wrote:One of my pointless hobbies is collecting old coins, sadly being poor this constitutes mostly US coins from the late 1800's onward. I dunno why, but I've always found coins to be interesting, especially the incredibly old ones.
I only got through the Western Han - Wu Zhu coins, cause I got crap to do, but it's very interesting.
It's also always surprised me how some coins stay in such good shape after so long, I've got a penny I've had for a year that's almost completely worm through already. :P


I don't know if Chinese coins hold any interest for you but the ground floor for collecting them is very inexpensive. Although you have to be careful of frauds and fakes (which are all over eBay - check with me for legit sellers), legit examples of most Han Dynasty Wu Zhu are $15 or less. None of the coins featured in the KMA feature were more than $55, and 80% were less than $20. If you're interested check out the Ancient Chinese Coins thread, or contact me and I'll give you some basics on not getting scammed.

As for wear, coins in circulation can get worn down to nubs pretty quickly, depending. In a modern, industrialized nation, the vast majority of people handle coins on a daily basis and a single coin can go through tons of transactions. Even though some ancient coins were in circulation for a long time, even in a high population country like China the rural nature of the economy in most areas meant that a single coin did not change hands constantly the way they do now. Also, most ancient bronze coins have some kind of patina that hides the actual coin surface. Many of these coins are actually very corroded underneath.

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Unread postby Jordan » Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:06 am

Did the forum totally go buggy yesterday? I received a 'new' pm from JamesD that was sent to me awhile ago in the past and a bunch of my recent posts seem to have vanished. It sounds like LiuYuanTe had the same problem, so I was just wondering if it was a forum thing...

Anyways, the coins look really cool. I didn't realize that during Wang Mang's interregnum government new coins were circulated either. What are the last group of coins from?
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Unread postby Liu Yuante » Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:25 am

SlickSlicer wrote:Did the forum totally go buggy yesterday? I received a 'new' pm from JamesD that was sent to me awhile ago in the past and a bunch of my recent posts seem to have vanished. It sounds like LiuYuanTe had the same problem, so I was just wondering if it was a forum thing...

Anyways, the coins look really cool. I didn't realize that during Wang Mang's interregnum government new coins were circulated either. What are the last group of coins from?


Apparently there was a critical server failure and the backup was from last week, which explains why you had the old PM again and why all mine were gone.

Wang Mang was an interesting guy - in a lot of ways I actually have sympathy for his goals. But the simple fact is that he ruined China's economy with his coinage "reforms". The A.D. 14 reform mentioned in the coin descriptions involved a complicated currency exchange dealing with round coins, spade coins, knife coins, cowries and tortoise shell and it left everyone befuddled and bewildered, so they began illicity using old Western Han Wu Zhu, and then were punished for doing so.

The last two coins are oddball Wu Zhu I originally purchased as being attributed to Liu Yan and Liu Bei, respectively, but which appear to be from later periods. The top one is from the Liang Dynasty, circa 6th Century A.D. and the bottom one is from Western Jin, sometime between 265 a.D. and 316 A.D., though it was cast in the Shu region of the country.

EDIT: And a small oops on my part - when I said none of the featured coins on KMA were over $55 that was wrong. The San Zhu was $110. Everything else was inexepensive, though (though it should be noted that if you view the Zhou Dynasty items on my webpage, several of those coins were expensive).

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Unread postby James » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:01 pm

I looked into coins on the internet and I must say the sword/knife samples are <i>very</i> cool. A site had one in pretty darn good condition (relatively speaking) for something like $315. Most of the coins on that site seemed about 30% above the range you described above.

Adrian, I would love to possibly buy some coins. It would be neat to have a few from some different periods of history. Would you mind sending me some details on who I might contact or work with? And now that I think of it, a great addition to the site would be a small public explanation on how people might buy their own coins without getting burned in the process.
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Unread postby Adam » Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:20 pm

Me too, me too! :P
I've only collected coins I could get my hands on fairly easily, that's the main reason I don't have many coins beyond America, Mexico, Canada, and a few New Zealand. And they are certainly far from old (1890 I believe is the oldest coin I have).
Although at the moment, when I say I'm incredibly poor, I mean I have a bill of 29 bucks I can't afford to pay, and bill collectors are starting to jump all over me (thank god for free movie and game rentals!).
Still I wouldn't mind the information on who and where, for use when I'm not horribly in debt (which will likely be December, if I'm lucky :D )
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