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Zhao Yun, Dian Wei or Zhou Tai-bravest of the brave

Unread postPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 4:19 pm
by Ma Zhi Xuan
Who do think was more fearless and brave in battle out of those three?

Unread postPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 4:29 pm
by Rurouni Kenshin
Hmmm seeing that Dian Wei stood up for his lord to the death at Luo Castle(I think) then it would put him on the top. I'm a Wei-ist so I'm sort of biased. I think that with his strength and his loyalty to his leader to defend him to death while he escapes is worth calling bold and daring. Though his legend was short lived, he was still a largely feared person even after his death.

Unread postPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 5:52 pm
by Lord Yuan Shao
The three are intrepid ones, and the three are heros , by his actions to give or risk to give his lifes for someone.

I´ll vote for Zhao Yun rescuing Liu Chan.
The reason is I too give my life for a person to were more young than I.And a baby is yet more worth of it.They have the right to live ,because they have just start to live.

Unread postPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 10:51 pm
by Separation Anxiety
I think it is Dian Wei. He performed more than one brave act. He saved Cao Cao on three separate occasions and he held up a flag pole single handedly during a storm, and there were many soldiers trying to hold it up before he did. Also before Cao Cao hired him, Dian Wei killed a bunch of guys with his bare hands and they were all armed. He also would wrestle and kill tigers with out a weapon. When he died the soldiers who killed him were so scared of him that they didnt give chase to Cao. They were afraid of Dian weis dead lifeless corpse.

Zhou Tai was also brave and so was Zhao Yun, though i think Zhao Yun is the least of the three. Zhou tai rescuing Sun Quan ran back and forth killing people and rescuing Sun Quan and one of the other Suns, though im not sure which one. Zhao Yun did one single act of bravery and it was rescuing a baby, that would only grow up to ruin the kingdom of Shu. Now as much as i hate Shu i still think Zhao should not have done this. Zhao Yun also was riding a horse and he had his best weapons and armor equipped. Dian Wei and Zhou Tai had no armor and only infantrymans weapon. In fact, Zhou tai was buck naked running back and forth with many injuries. I do give Zhao credit though, they were all great fighters and they were all feared, but Zhao Yun brags forever on this one act, so instead of blaming the fall of Shu and Liu Chan wouldnt the fall be because Zhao Yun. Zhao Yun was the true reason that Shu fell.

Unread postPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 12:20 am
by Exar Kun
Zhao Yun is the bravest I think.
His act was extremely gutsy,breaking through the Wei lines with a baby under his armor.Not to mention he killed 50 commanders on his way back.
I don't think anyone can compare to that.

Unread postPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 12:45 am
by Zhilong
I actually meant to vote Zhou Tai but somehow i pressed Dian Wei by mistake... anyway to modify it?

Unread postPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 6:31 am
by Separation Anxiety
If your talking about true history then Zhao Yuns act wasnt nearly that brave. in the book it really glorifies his act. It makes it seem like Zhao broke through tens of thousands of troops and fought for his life single handedly. The real event was a couple hundred infantry men that Zhao had to break through and Zhao also had about twenty or thirty horsemen accompanying him. Nevertheless its a brave act but nowhere near the caliber of Dian Wei or Zhou tais act of bravery. Zhao was also running from the fight while the other two were actually involved in fighting and there rescues actually helped their kingdom, Dian Wei saving Cao and Zhou savin Sun Quan, both of which truly paid off. Zhao Yun unknowingly caused the end of Shu before Shu was even an empire.

Unread postPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 3:31 pm
by Shadowlink
i vote for zhao yun goingby the novel ok.

Unread postPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 3:49 pm
by Asellas
Zhou Tai.... he had the battle scar(s) that proved he went through hell to save Sun Quan and if I recal he wasn't on a horse and Zhao Yun was so he just charged and not getting hurt in order to save Liu Shan.
I like Zilong, don;t get me wrong he was a great general and one of the best fighters but a lil overrated for me. :roll:

Unread postPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 5:18 pm
by Sam
Dian_Wei wrote:If your talking about true history then Zhao Yuns act wasnt nearly that brave. in the book it really glorifies his act. It makes it seem like Zhao broke through tens of thousands of troops and fought for his life single handedly. The real event was a couple hundred infantry men that Zhao had to break through and Zhao also had about twenty or thirty horsemen accompanying him. Nevertheless its a brave act but nowhere near the caliber of Dian Wei or Zhou tais act of bravery. Zhao was also running from the fight while the other two were actually involved in fighting and there rescues actually helped their kingdom, Dian Wei saving Cao and Zhou savin Sun Quan, both of which truly paid off. Zhao Yun unknowingly caused the end of Shu before Shu was even an empire.


Ryan wrote:Zhou Tai.... he had the battle scar(s) that proved he went through hell to save Sun Quan and if I recal he wasn't on a horse and Zhao Yun was so he just charged and not getting hurt in order to save Liu Shan.
I like Zilong, don;t get me wrong he was a great general and one of the best fighters but a lil overrated for me. :roll:


I always have a problem with this argument. Firstly, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest Zhao Yun had 20 horseman accompanying him, nor is there any evidence suggesting he fought with a single soldier. The only evidence obtainable regarding the events of Chang Ban are that which show Zhao Yun did indeed go into enemy territory in order to save Liu Shan and Liu Bei's current wife. Now, look at this from Zhao Yun's perspective, not your own. For all he knew, he could have very well been charging in to a mass of soldiers, ranging into the thousands, yet he still did so in honour of who he served. Whether he fought a mass of soldiers or not is insignificant - the fact that he charged into that territory shows an immense amount of bravery, which in my opinion most definitely rivals the deeds of both Dian Wei and Zhou Tai.