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Re: Talents of the three kingdoms

Unread postby Shen Ai » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:58 pm

Xun You's accomplishments are kinda shady. But he is not that well known of a character. Mi Heng is he a talent? Lol.
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Re: Talents of the three kingdoms

Unread postby Zhuanyong » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:02 pm

Mi Heng was capable of two things. Not only could he divulge the personality, successes, failures, and core of a person through a subtle description but, he could cause jaws to drop, eyes to roll, and ministers to throw temper tantrums without even saying a word.
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Re: Talents of the three kingdoms

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:06 pm

He also did a great strip-tease.

Mi Heng had talent certainly. He was an expert drummer, a man of great literary reputation though only a few works survive now, he was considered a fine debater. He tended to impress those he first served and he made powerful friends (Kong Rong, Yang Xiu, Liu Biao and Huang She), he had some wit. Some consider him highly intelligent. With a less conversational personality, or one tempered by time, at the very least he would have brought great prestige to a court. Maybe he could have adapted to practical advice like some literary figures did but we will never know.
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Re: Talents of the three kingdoms

Unread postby Zhuanyong » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:11 pm

Dong Zhou wrote:He also did a great strip-tease.


That's what was I referring to.

Zhuanyong wrote:he could cause jaws to drop, eyes to roll, and ministers to throw temper tantrums without even saying a word.


:lol:

Some would call him wasted talent for how he bought his own end.
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Re: Talents of the three kingdoms

Unread postby Striga » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:35 am

He reminds me a lot of Yang Xiu. His statements brought on his death.
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Re: Talents of the three kingdoms

Unread postby Shen Ai » Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:56 pm

Or Bao Xun. Executed for speaking his mind.

Still, the strip tease was incredible for those times.
Wonder if any ministers had heart attacks.
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Re: Talents of the three kingdoms

Unread postby Hyper90 » Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:39 pm

Striga wrote:He reminds me a lot of Yang Xiu. His statements brought on his death.


speaking of yang xiu, he was a smart-@ss that caused cao cao to have his head.

what else did he do besides being a smart@ss in cao cao's army?
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Re: Talents of the three kingdoms

Unread postby Lady Chen » Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:48 pm

I keep seeing references to this famous strip tease. Can someone explain, or link me to the story? You've made me curious!
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Re: Talents of the three kingdoms

Unread postby Zhuanyong » Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:18 pm

In chapter 23 of the novel, after Zhang Xiu had surrendered himself to Cao Cao and Cao Cao was seeking out a messenger to acquire Liu Biao's services, Kong Rong recommended Mi Heng. Kong Rong described the man as having talent ten times greater than his, and actually belonging in the emperor's service rather than executing minor services such as actng as a diplomat, so he sent a memorial to Emperor Xian requesting Mi Heng be hired.

The emperor read over the proposal and gave it to Cao Cao, who then summoned Mi Heng. Mi Heng suffered the indignity of not being commanded to be seated, and said, "In this wide, wide world I see not one real man!" Cao Cao replied with himself having acquired many men whom he would call heroes of the time, and when asked to name them at Mi Heng's request, named Cheng Yu, Xun Yu, Xun You, Guo Jia, Man Chong, Zhang Liao, Xu Chu, Li Dian, Yue Jin, Yu Jin, Xu Huang, Lu Qian, Xiahou Dun, and Cao Ren.

Mi Heng scoffed and retorted, "These men you mention are known to me. Xun Yu is good for attending funerals and visitng the bedridden. Xun You will do for guarding grave sites. Cheng Yu would make a superb gatekeeper. Guo Jia's real talent is for reading prose and reciting verse. Zhang Liao would serve well tapping the chimes and drums, and Xu Chu belongs tending cattle and horses. Yue Jin is good for receiving petitions and edicts, Li Dian for transmitting documents and delivering instuctions, Lu Qian for sharpening blades and forging swords. Man Chong consumes wines and dregs. Yu Jin can work at lugging blocks and raising walls. Xu Huang would be best employed slaughtering pigs and dogs. Xiahou Dun deserves the title, 'Whole Body General'; Cao Ren, 'Money-grubbing Governor.' The rest of the lot are so many clothes racks, rice bags, wine casks, meat sacks..."

Cao Cao interrupted and asked what was Mi Heng's specialty, to which he responded with himself having mastered the classical texts, and compared his virtue to that of Confucius'. Zhang Liao, angered, moved towards him, sword bared, but Cao Cao again stopped Zhang Liao in his tracks. Cao Cao said that the position of drum master was vacant, and asked Mi Heng to fill the position, and he did not decline. Mi Heng left, and Zhang Liao inquired why he wouldn't let Mi Heng be killed. It was mentioned that by being a drummer Mi Heng would be embarassed, and that slaying such a reputed and loved scholar would make the common people disdain Cao Cao.

Later, Cao Cao hosted a banquet and invited many guests. The senior drummers warned Mi Heng to wear new clothes, but he took his place and played the musical piece, "Tolling of Yuyang". The playing was unimaginable, with notes reounding and being hit perfectly, and many guests begun to cry, if not having their emotions deeply stirred.

In the middle of the performance, Cao Cao's attendants rudely shouted and asked why Mi Heng hadn't changed his clothes, and the response was Mi Heng stripping himself naked. Many guests covered their eyes, and Mi Heng calmly put back on his undergarments. Cao Cao angrily asked why he would commit such an outrage, and Mi Heng shot back, calling Cao Cao corrupt in every manner through his various faults, and the fearful Kong Rong pleaded for Mi Heng's life.


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Re: Talents of the three kingdoms

Unread postby Sun Fin » Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:41 pm

We seem to have strayed a bit from the original intention of this topic...

Shu:
Favourite general: Zhao Yun
Least favourite general: Fu Shu Ren
Greatest dueller: Guan Yu
Most overrated general: Huang Zhong
Most underrated general: Guan Yu
Favourite strategist: Xiahou Ba
Least favourite strategist: Ma Su
Greatest strategist: Fa Zheng
Most overrated strategist: Xu Shu
Most underrated strategist: Fa Zheng
Overall greatest general of the kingdom Shu: Liu Bei

Wu:
Favourite general: Sun Ce
Least favourite general:Sun Quan
Greatest dueller: Sun Ce
Most overrated general: Ling Tong
Most underrated general: Xu Kun
Favourite strategist: Lu Fan
Least favourite strategist: Lu Meng
Greatest strategist: Lu Xun
Most overrated strategist: Lu Meng
Most underrated strategist: Lu Fan
Overall greatest general of the kingdom Wu: Sun Ce

Wei:
Favourite general: Zhang Liao
Least favourite general: Yu Jin
Greatest dueller: Dian Wei
Most overrated general: Yu Jin
Most underrated general: Zang Ba
Favourite strategist: Guo Jia
Least favourite strategist: Sima Yi
Greatest strategist: Jia Xu
Most overrated strategist: Sima Yi
Most underrated strategist: Jia Xu
Overall greatest general of Wei: Zhang Liao

None three kingdoms:
Favourite general: Sun Jian
Least favourite general: Hua Xiong
Greatest dueller: Lu Bu
Most overrated general: Wen Chou
Most underrated general: Zhang Xiu
Favourite strategist: Tian Feng
Least favourite strategist: Li Ru
Greatest strategist: Tian Feng
Most overrated strategist: Li Ru
Most underrated strategist: Tian Feng
Overall greatest general of none three kingdoms: Sun Jian

Overall:
Favourite general: Sun Ce
Least favourite general: Sun Quan
Greatest dueller: Sun Ce
Most overrated general: Ling Tong
Most underrated general: Xu Kun
Favourite strategist: Lu Fa
Least favourite strategist: Lu Meng
Greatest strategist: Jia Xu
Most overrated strategist: Li Ru
Most underrated strategist: Jia Xu
Overall greatest general of the three kingdoms era: Sun Ce

Haha, I'm surprised at how much of the last one was made up of officers from Wu!
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