Chinese Wiki Translations of People of Jin

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Re: Chinese Wiki Translations of People of Jin

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:18 pm

I like the lines of Sun Chu's poems you quote but Poem on getting rid of women's clothes?
“You, are a rebellious son who abandoned his father. You are a cruel brigand who murdered his lord. How can Heaven and Earth put up with you for long? And unless you die soon, how can you face the sight of men?”
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Re: Chinese Wiki Translations of People of Jin

Unread postby Tarrot » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:00 pm

The "Fu" character can refer to clothes and from looking online, it appears this more refers to the clothes one wears when mourning someone. So a more accurate title would be "A woman getting rid of her mourning clothes."

Also, the list on Page 21 is updated, now to exclusively Baidu bios I can find, of which there seems quite a few.
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Re: Chinese Wiki Translations of People of Jin

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:56 pm

That makes sense, a woman coming out of mourning is not an uncommon subject for a poem
“You, are a rebellious son who abandoned his father. You are a cruel brigand who murdered his lord. How can Heaven and Earth put up with you for long? And unless you die soon, how can you face the sight of men?”
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Re: Chinese Wiki Translations of People of Jin

Unread postby Tarrot » Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:36 pm

Note: I'll run down the Baidu list one at a time, and if I can't find a bio I'll make a brief mention until I find out someone who does, then do theirs in a single post.

Ren Hao: Nothing outside what's in Ren Kui's bio.

Yu Chun: Baidu bio has what's recorded about him, but its almost all in old Chinese so its too hard to read. Summary at the beginning from Baidu http://baike.baidu.com/view/1255887.htm

Yu Chun (alive around 265 or so), zi Moufu, from Yanling in Yingzhou, Yu Jun's (add) younger brother. Its unclear when he was born or died, but it is known he was alive during Sima Yan's Taishi era, and that he was 64 years old. He was well-leaned and had ability, and was a Confucian scholar in his era. Initially he'd fill a vacancy in a county as a Zhubo, and later he'd work up to being Huangmen Shilang, then would be a Zhonglang Ling, and Administer of Henan. He would do as he pleased during Jia Chong's takeover. Yu Chun scolded him saying "The land under the heavens is terrible, and it is all due to one man." Beacuse his words were so pure, Yang Xiu and Wang Ji would work to get him dismissed frm office. Jia Chong was ashamed and upset, and would present a memorial to get him dismissed. Yu Chun was fearfu, and would send a memorial asking to be dismissed from office. Later he would be named Shaofu (one of the nine ministers), then died. Yu Chun's works were collected in 8 juan called the "Suishu Jingj Zhi" (Colection of the Sui dynasty historical texts) which would be passed on to generations.
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Re: Chinese Wiki Translations of People of Jin

Unread postby Tarrot » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:53 pm

Liu You: I'm assuming this is a reference to the Liu You of the Eastern Han rather tan an actual person.

Liu Liang: I think he's in the era, but outside being a Tingwei nothing.

Su Yu: Got something, going on him. http://baike.baidu.com/view/9126865.htm

Su Yu (active around 264-271), zi Xiuyu (two different characters for each). Younger brother of Su Yi and Su ze, father of Su Shao. He was from Wugong in Fufeng. He was the provisional governor of Liangzhou during the Wei and Jin eras, as well as a Shangdu, Du Pavillion Marquis, Taichang, and Glorious Grand Master. His son Su Shao would be a poet. During Jin he would have a certain reputation. As is evident in the "Jinshu", Su Yu would be appointed Liangzhou Provisiona Governor sometime from 265-274, would have a great battle with the Hexi and Xianbei peoples, and would retreat inside. In the 6th year of Taishi, him and Hu Lie would join their forces to attack Tufa Shujineng with over 10,000 men, but would be defeated and killed.

Other notes (not translating fully due to laziness and choppiness)

* Named Shangshu by the Wei Yuandi. There'd be an earthquake during the 5th year of Taishi in the 4th month. In winter, the Xinping and Qiang would rebel. The next year, Sun Hao would suffer a major loss at Wukuo (?). The rebelling prisoners would invade, and Su Yu and Hu Lie would both die from it.

*Other notes are him being praised for being smart by Shan Tao, and him being Su Ze's son, rather than brother, according to Pei Song's works. Going by this, he is probably the father of Su Yu, putting Su Yu's birthday in the 210s since he was killed rather than died of old age, making him in his 50s and probably a reciever of good luck from being within a famous family hence his high positions. Not sure of his actual ability although he does have the Shan Tao praise.

*More notes from wikiing Su Ze: Two sons, Su Yi and Su Yu, Su Yi the eldest would inherit his father's marquis but die without heirs, so it'd pass onto Su Yu who'd hold those positions and die against Tufa Shujineng, nothing on Su Yu's sons doing anything notable.
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Re: Chinese Wiki Translations of People of Jin

Unread postby Tarrot » Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:40 pm

Hou Shilang: Zi Xiaoming, from Dong Laiye (modern day Shandong), nominated Filial and Incorrupt in Wei, he'd reach the rank of Luoyang Diannong Zhong Langjiang. He'd be Sanji Changshi and Shizhong in Jin. Bio out there but classical chinese so moving on.

Li Xi (formerly Mi for some reason): There is info on him, I'll translate if its about him or about the era as the Baidu bios tend to be. http://baike.soso.com/v51298823.htm

Li Xi, zi Jihe, from Tongdi in Shangdang (Modern-day Qinxian in Shanxi). He would hold the positions of Bingzhou Biejia, Cishi, and Yushi Zhongcheng in Jin. He'd also be a Sili Xiaowei, and arrive at the position of Shangshu Pushe, and Glorious Grand master. He "Was stern as an official, how could he be so solemn in all kinds of conditions?" and would get praised.

Li Xi in his youth would be versatile and able, with refined morality, and was seen as able and virtuous. Although he was often drafted as a cout official, he would firmly dismiss it. Later Sima Yi would name him as Taifu Shu. He would frequently use illness as a reason to not take his office. When Sima Shi was in charge, he sent a county official in a chariot to recieve him, and while the chariot was in transit would stealthily escape, and return home on foot. When someone was sent for him, at the time his mother was ill, and wouldn't live much longer. The people would thus praise him for abandoning his post to do his filial duty. After this Li Xi would find it difficult to refuse the court, and would accept a position as Bingzhou Biejie.

When Sima Shi would hold power in Cao-Wei, Li Xi was named Dajiangjun Congshi Zhonglang, and was later named Sima, You Changshi. *Sima clan stuff up to Guanqui Jian's rebellion* When Sima Shi attacked Guanqiu Jian, Li Xi was named as an important strategic advisor to Sima Shi, and would participate in the war. After there was peace, he was named Yushi Zhongcheng.

Li Xi was sincere, and not afraid to speak and admonish people, and never relied on his strength to bully the weak, and would also recommend worthy people and those with talent. While he was still Bingzhou BieJia, the Xiaoji Jiangjun Qin Lang would pass through, and everyone would revere Qin Lan, and would exceed conventional ceremonies to welcome him. Li Xi would bluntly admonish this, and advised people to cancel this plan. Li Xi had once been the Liangzhou provisional governor, with the position of Ling Hu Qiang Xiaowei. In dealing with the Qiang clan, he would advocate a noble strategy. While he was named Hu Qiang Xiaowei, he'd recieve praise for "Magnificently pacifying the barbarians, and earning great merit", but the Qiang tribe would still cause trouble, so at this time he would advocate fighting back. Because he was able to do major damage to the Qiang people, it was said "*I do not understand this one at all, no translation.*" Later when he'd be named Shangshu Pushe, he'd often recieve news of the Qiang people causing trouble, and would propose "Dispatching the army to provoke them." The court officials felt sending troops was not easy, saying "Prisoners of war won't have enough food and will suffer", so they'd reject this plan. Not long after the Qiang would launch a large-scale invasion, overtake Liangzhou, and the court would be shocked.

In 265 Sima Yan would overthrow Cao-Wei and become Emperor. At this time Li Xi asthe Sili Xiaowei would take charge of transmitting affairs, and would write a letter impeaching the Guling Jinling Liu You, the former Shangshu Shan Tao, the King of Zhongshan Sima Mu and the Gu Shangshu Pushe Wu Gai (add Sima Mu and Wu Gai) of invading the government rice fields at night, and would put forward "Please dismiss Shan Tao, make Sima Mu an official. As Wu Gai's already died, please decrease his benefits" as a way of handling things. With this fearless influence, and the courage to examine people's behavior, Sima Yan would praise him greatly saying "Today with Xi's excessive ambition for the public, acting on good behavior for the court, it can be said he's "In charge of the state's straightforwardness"." And because of Li Xi "Unflinching to the court, who doesn't fear them resisting heavily" and because of this "He'll be named a secondary Sili, with everyone praising him."

Regarding Sima Yan's son Sima Zhong, Li Xi was named Taizi Taifu. From the period of Cao Rui until Sima Yan, there hadn't been a crown prince named, so the regulations on naming one had been in disuse, and the office was not robust. The Zhangshi, Zoushuai, Youshuai, Shuze, and Zhong Sheren offices were not set up, with only the Weilu Ling Dianbing set up, with two Taifu's to supervise many things. As Li Xi was named Taifu for many years, he was dilligent in observing his office duties, did his utmost, and instructed Sima Zhong with all his effort.

Taking a broad look at Li Xi's life, the bureaucracy had its ups and downs, and he was fortunate with how he shifted around, and also had bad luck with being dismissed from office, but because of the people he would not be corrupt, and was upright and outspoken with no flattery in his position. Although he was in office for many years, still "His family had little stored up, his relatives and friends had to wear common clothes and eat common food, and he was unselfish over his positions." After Li Xi died, the court would name him Taibao with the posthumous name of Cheng.AC
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Re: Chinese Wiki Translations of People of Jin

Unread postby Tarrot » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:43 pm

This isn't a real bio post, I was looking up Yu Jun, brother of Yu Chun. Most of the biography is in scattered Chinese, so I could piecemeal it together, but I'm not really in the mood so skipping him. Things I found out about the family.

Yu Jun, and by proxy Yu Chun's grandfather was Yu Cheng. Apparently smart but wouldn't accept rank.

His uncle Yu Yi was a Taipu in Wei.

His father Yu Dao wouldn't enter office even though he was talented.

This is just random extra information. If my CHinese ever improves enough I'll try the Yu brother bios since they seem fairly high up in Jin but I don't know what they did.
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Re: Chinese Wiki Translations of People of Jin

Unread postby Tarrot » Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:57 pm

Sima Mu: Brief bio as he's mostly in old Chinese.

The Jin King of Gaoyang Sima Mu, zi Ziyou, he was the King of Qiao Sima Xun's younger brother. In Wei he was an Anping pavillion marquis, and would be named Shi Yushi. When Sima Yan ascended, he'd be named King of Zhongshan, giving a tribute of 5,200 households. While in Xianning, he would flee, and would be diminished to a County Marquis. In the beginning of Taikang, he'd be named King of Gaoyang. In the Yuankang era, he'd be named Zongzhen, and die in office.

Wu Gai: Has a Wikipedia bio. Shocked I never got him linked in all my others. Very brief on him. http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%AD%A6%E9%99%94

Wu Gai (? - 266), zi Yuanxia, from Zhu village in Peiguo (modern-day Suzhou in Anhui).

Wu Gai in his youth was good at juding a person's character. During the time of Cao Rui he was named govenor of Xiapi. When Sima Shi was a Dajiangjun, he would be named Sili Xiaowei, and Taipu Qing. Sima Zhao would rely on him, and repeatedly ask him to judge people. In the Taishi years, Sima Yan would name him Shangzhu, You Pushe, Glorious Grand Master, with rites equal to the excellencies.

Extra info from mostly-old Chinese on Baidu: His father was Wu Zhou, who was a Weiwei in Wei. Seeing as we don't have Wu Zhou I looked him up and got a mini-bio on him as well. http://baike.baidu.com/subview/683114/8725281.htm

Wu Zhou, zi Bonan, he has origins in the Ji family line, From the King of Zhouping in his youth he'd be known as Zhou later on. In the Three Kingdoms era, he was a Wei official. He was from Zhu in Peiguo, and the son of Wu Duan (who we also don't have). He'd be called an elegant scholar in his time. During Wei he was named Ling of Xiapi, and was later named Zhang Liao's Hujun. Later he would be named Shi Yushi. He'd also recieve the title of Glorious Grand Master, and made Marquis of Nanping.

He'd have four sons, his eldest Wu Gai, his 3rd son Wu Shao zi Shuxia, his 4th Wu Mao zi Jixia, with no recorded name of his third son.

All searches for Wu Duan return Butan in The Phillipines, and nothing on the other sons, so it looks like the family line ends here for now.
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Re: Chinese Wiki Translations of People of Jin

Unread postby Tarrot » Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:40 pm

Very, very brief bio, Yuan Kan, contemporary of He Zeng. http://baike.baidu.com/view/2942768.htm

Yuan Kan zi Gonran, from Fule in Chen, the eldest son of Yuan Huan, the histories comment on him as pure and proper, flexible without being criminal, virtuous and popular. During the rise of Jin, people would be interested in affairs, and he would modestly decline to take office. The people of the time would call him. (not sure this line). He'd be named Huangmen Xuanbu Lang, and Haowei Qingping. He'd hold the position of Shangshu, then die an early death. *Recorded from the records of the Yuan clan*
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Re: Chinese Wiki Translations of People of Jin

Unread postby Tarrot » Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:28 pm

Yin Mo, Liu Xiang, Wang Yi: Nothing

Liu Meng: Has a wiki bio updated since last time, doing him http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%88%98% ... 6%9C%9D%29

Liu Meng (? - 272), he was the son of the Xiongnu's You Xianwang Qubei. (another article has this as Liu Qubei, also add)

In the first month of 271, Liu Meng would rebel and take up position in a strategic pass. In the 11th month, Liu Meng would attack Bingzhou, but would be defeated by the provisional governor Liu Qin. (add) In the first month of 272, the Jin Jianjun He Zhen would lead a force against Liu Meng, beating him numerous times. He Zhen would entice Liu Meng's subordinate, the Zuo Bushuai Li Ke (add), and Li Ke would behead Liu Meng and surrender to Jin.

His son Liu Fulun would join the Tuoba branch of the Xianbei, and become the founder of the Dugu branch. The other numerous branches, they would be lead by his younger brother Gao Shengyuan, (add) and they'd become the Tiefu branch.
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