Wen Choung wrote:On the other hand, Liu Bei did have the services of Zhuge Liang, who I wouldn't doubt had every ability to turn the tide for Liu Bei!
Wen Choung wrote:But then on the other hand, someone would surely rise to power to fill that power vacuum left in Wei...someone from Cao Cao's line, or someone as fierce as perhaps the Xiahou's, especially since they were of the same family line, or maybe even someone DANGEROUS like Guo Jia (even though there is no one whom I could think of that would be of that caliber)!
Wen Choung wrote:Zhuge Liang would have forseen the treachery of Sun Quan and Zhou Yu and had already escaped and captured a few cities as well, thus establishing a small area. Then with a few great plans of Zhuge Liang, Liu Bei defeats Wu in numerous battles. Wu would be crippled while Liu Bei keeps attacking and capturing Wei land, growing in size and number. Wei would onyl have a fraction of its previous land while Sun Quan might also be expanding on Wei land as well. Then Liu Bei totally crushes Wu and takes the rest of China. And they all lived happily ever after. The end.
Mu Shu wrote:I think this is another example of Kongming's subtle manipulation at work...
When Liu Bei first met Kongming, Kongming had laid out his grand strategy. If Wei was too strong, then Liu Bei should ally with Wu. If Wu was too strong, then Liu Bei should ally with Wei. Hence always ensuring the balance of power and thus enabling the kingdom of Shu to form.
Zhou Tai wrote:It amazes me so much, how people think Zhuge Liang knows everything and every outcome...hes not a seer for crying out loud.
When did he supposivley lay out this great plan? I dont remember this, he had to ally with Wu since Wu was his only hope and option. Or Keep Running away which Shu was often good at *OUCH* (Im jokin.....or am I?)
And If Wu did get stronger than Wei, From previous encounters and history, im sure as hell that Liu Bei would never join hands with Cao Cao, would you ally with someone who made there intentions clear to stop and kill you.?
Ooops...um forget about the Zhou "Im Gonna Kill Liu Bei" Yu
Chen Kun wrote:if Kongming was overrated,then what about his opponents?what about Sima Yi and Zhou Yu?even with stronger power they couldn't defeat and loss many times to Kongming
Han Xin wrote:Chen Kun wrote:if Kongming was overrated,then what about his opponents?what about Sima Yi and Zhou Yu?even with stronger power they couldn't defeat and loss many times to Kongming
When did Zhou Yu or Sima Yi lost to Zhuge Liang? Liu Bei didn't even lets Zhuge Liang anywhere near his army while he was alived.
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