Han Loyalists

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Unread postby Killerkid282 » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:01 pm

IMHO,every force is a rebel...its every sovereign dream to control the land by themselves and when the Han was reaching to her end,this was the perfect opportunity,whether its Sun Jian.Sun Ce, or Cao Cao
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Unread postby Sun Fin » Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:06 pm

Sun Jian is widely considered a Han loyalist so I will have to say him. Liu Bei to and I'd consider Zhao Yun but I'm not sure whether he was loyal to the Han or to the people.
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Unread postby Cao Shang » Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:01 am

I wonder if Liu Bei ever had the idea of restoring the Han... it just was a golden opportunity for him to use on many occasions.
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Unread postby Shen Ai » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:43 pm

Xun Yu, was a Han loyalist, but after Cao Cao's victory over Ma Chao at Tong Pass and conquering Yong and Liang provinces, there were few left. Geng Ji and Tian Yu were both loyalists, as well as Ji Ping. Shame they all met rather depressing ends.
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Unread postby Hyper90 » Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:14 pm

Dong Zhou wrote:Wang Lang was nominally Tao Qian's vassal but he was a lord in the south really till Sun Ce beat him


what ? Wang lang was under tao qian ? how did that happen ? how did he went all the way to jiangdong ?
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Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:38 pm

Hyper90 wrote:
Dong Zhou wrote:Wang Lang was nominally Tao Qian's vassal but he was a lord in the south really till Sun Ce beat him


what ? Wang lang was under tao qian ? how did that happen ? how did he went all the way to jiangdong ?


Yep, after he had left service in the Han court, he ended up under Tao Qian. When Qian, on Lang's advice, paid tribute to the court at Chang An, Qian became Governor and seems to have had the right, or at least the practical strength, to allow Lang to form a court in Kuaiji.
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Unread postby Hyper90 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:28 am

Dong Zhou wrote:
Hyper90 wrote:
Dong Zhou wrote:Wang Lang was nominally Tao Qian's vassal but he was a lord in the south really till Sun Ce beat him


what ? Wang lang was under tao qian ? how did that happen ? how did he went all the way to jiangdong ?


Yep, after he had left service in the Han court, he ended up under Tao Qian. When Qian, on Lang's advice, paid tribute to the court at Chang An, Qian became Governor and seems to have had the right, or at least the practical strength, to allow Lang to form a court in Kuaiji.

clever guy, to avoid the chaos in the land. but he still ended up defeated by sun ce and serving cao cao
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Re: Han Loyalists

Unread postby Shen Ai » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:26 pm

He did okay under Cao Cao and Cao Pi and Cao Rui. But he suggested that Rui get more concubines which led to disaster.
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Re: Han Loyalists

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:34 am

I think okay is a little underplaying it and he did protest against Rui's extravagance
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Unread postby Hyper90 » Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:15 pm

he believe he died from zhuge liang's debate is fictional...

whats his real death cause ?
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