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Re: Han Loyalists

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:43 pm

Natural causes after a long life I believe
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Re: Han Loyalists

Unread postby Hyper90 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:43 am

Dong Zhou wrote:Natural causes after a long life I believe


damn lucky bastard....

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what happened to other Han loyalist after Dong Zhuo's rule?
i remember Huangfu Song & the gang was serving him, what happened to them later ? died from Li jue & guo si's fight?
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Re: Han Loyalists

Unread postby Qu Hui » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:34 am

Hyper90 wrote:damn lucky bastard....

Wang Lang really wasn't a bad guy. No reason to curse him. As for expanding Cao Rui's harem, that might have been a more practical move than anything; all of Cao Rui's children died young, and in fact most of them died before age 5. Wang Lang's suggestion was most likely an attempt to have Cao Rui produce a child that would live longer.

Hyper90 wrote:i remember Huangfu Song & the gang was serving him, what happened to them later ? died from Li jue & guo si's fight?

Huangfu Song died a natural death in 195. Zhu Jun did as well. Lu Zhi died in 192 most likely before Li Jue and Guo Si seized power. Many Han generals died escorting Emperor Xian out of Chang'an. A few ministers remained with the Court when Wei took control. Yang Biao is perhaps the luckiest, living to see the ripe old age of 83.
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Re: Han Loyalists

Unread postby Shen Ai » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:47 pm

Hmm, I didn't know that about Song and Zhi.

Was there any major Han supporters when Cao Pi took power? By then it seemed that most supported him and wanted the dynasty to fall.
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Re: Han Loyalists

Unread postby Hyper90 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:31 am

Qu Hui wrote:Yang Biao is perhaps the luckiest, living to see the ripe old age of 83.



nothing much info about him, he got banished by cao cao?
so i assume he got banished after xian was under cao cao's control. what happened to his later life?
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Re: Han Loyalists

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:30 am

He remained on his estates, pretending to have rheumatism and rejected service under Cao Pi.
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Re: Han Loyalists

Unread postby Shen Ai » Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:03 am

Considering that Dong Zhuo even poisoned an empress thinking that she could be a danger to him, why did he let so many important people live? Huangfu Song, Zhu Jun, Lu Zhi and the Yang family were all powerful and influential at a time. Yet he allowed them to live, in which they could have been considerable threats, given their talent in certain fields.
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Re: Han Loyalists

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:18 pm

Whatever one of the many reasons he had for killing her was behind the Empresses death, he could do so without losing popularity. Or would have done in other circumstances and it was probably needed to secure Dong's new position.

Killing gentry would have been very unpopular and against what he tried to do, or at least tried to do early on. Dong wanted to recruit the great men (both in talent and family prestige) of the day to the administration, to stop the avoidance of service that some people had done in the past. He and his officers made considerable efforts to recruit with mixed success, killing them would have gone against Dong's early reforms. He obvoiusly would have hoped those he recruited would be loyal.

Dong did try to kill Huangfu Song though
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Re: Han Loyalists

Unread postby Shen Ai » Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:41 am

Yuan Shao walked out after He Jin's death and Dong Zhuo's arrival. Was he, at the time of course, a Han loyalist, seeing as he refused to serve Zhuo, or was he just a man who was taken in by He Jin's charisma? Setting aside his later choices of course, was there even a slight chance that the man was loyal, considering how long his family was entrenched in the Han dynasty?
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Re: Han Loyalists

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:24 am

Well he left his time as knight-errant and helper of escapes for He Jin but that may also have been due to pressure from Yuan Wei. Yuan Shao doesn't strike me as one of the more loyal officers of the Han, could say the same for a lot of the Yuan family mind, but I wouldn't rule out loyalty as an early motive.
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