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Unread postby JamesD » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:09 am

Just a few corrctions I think T'sang Ba is Zhang Pu. Isn't Cao Rui Cao Pi's adopted son not brother?
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Unread postby MarvelousLingTong!!!!!! » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:25 am

Isn't Cao Rui Cao Pi's adopted son not brother?


I'm pretty sure Cao Rui was Cao Pi's biological son.
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Unread postby Xu Yuan » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:04 pm

Ah, this is one of my favorite arguments! Some say Cao Rui is Cao Pi's son, other's say it's Cao Cao's, then mmy favorite is that it's Yuan Xi's child. The reason for this being is because Cao Pi would only be like 15-16 (or somethng like that) when Cao Rui was born, this means that either, Zhen Luo was already pregnant of that it was a premature birth. Since they say is was only 6 or 7 months before Cao Rui was born.

though this is alll rumor's that I heard.
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Unread postby JamesD » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:07 pm

Xu Yuan wrote:Ah, this is one of my favorite arguments! Some say Cao Rui is Cao Pi's son, other's say it's Cao Cao's, then mmy favorite is that it's Yuan Xi's child. The reason for this being is because Cao Pi would only be like 15-16 (or somethng like that) when Cao Rui was born, this means that either, Zhen Luo was already pregnant of that it was a premature birth. Since they say is was only 6 or 7 months before Cao Rui was born.

though this is alll rumor's that I heard.


Wow thats interesting. To think even though its rumor but to have a Yuan relative rule the Wei empire.
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Unread postby Sun Gongli » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:27 pm

JamesD wrote:Just a few corrctions I think T'sang Ba is Zhang Pu. Isn't Cao Rui Cao Pi's adopted son not brother?


T'sang Ba is Zang Ba, Lu Bu's former officer who turned to Wei. And it's not a correction issue - it's a romanization issue. Either way is correct.
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Unread postby Shi Tong » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:49 pm

T'sang Ba= Zang Ba? Though I would have thought that T's is supposed to be C (like T'sao T'sao or Cao Cao?), in Wade Giles. It's not possible to be the other way around because there's no T's in Ping Yin.

T'sang Ba therefore should be Cang Ba (should, though not necessarily because it may be bad spelling in general).
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Unread postby Sun Gongli » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:14 pm

I've seen Zang Ba mistakenly written as Cang Ba. The C and Z sounds aren't terribly different in Chinese.
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Unread postby JamesD » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:23 pm

Shi Tong wrote:T'sang Ba= Zang Ba? Though I would have thought that T's is supposed to be C (like T'sao T'sao or Cao Cao?), in Wade Giles. It's not possible to be the other way around because there's no T's in Ping Yin.

T'sang Ba therefore should be Cang Ba (should, though not necessarily because it may be bad spelling in general).


I just reviewed the section and it was spelled T'sang Pa. I wrote it wrong.
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Unread postby Sun Gongli » Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:19 pm

Wade-Giles P still becomes Pinyin B. Wade-Giles P' becomes Pinyin P. It'd still be a "Ba."
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Unread postby JamesD » Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:08 pm

Sun Gongli wrote:Wade-Giles P still becomes Pinyin B. Wade-Giles P' becomes Pinyin P. It'd still be a "Ba."


It was during Shi Ting so I thought it was Zhang Pu.
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