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Re: Official STAR WARS Thread

Unread postby Gray Riders » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:07 am

Hollywood Reporter says Billy Dee Williams will be playing Lando in episode IX.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat- ... xi-1125818
I'd read he was in bad health before as a reason he couldn't be in VII or VIII so I'm a little surprised, but I'm glad he seems to be better if the reports were true.
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Re: Official STAR WARS Thread

Unread postby Sun Fin » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:09 am

That would be good! Most of the original cast are gone now so I'd like to see someone maintaining links.
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Re: Official STAR WARS Thread

Unread postby SunXia » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:29 pm

Alright I think I can talk about The Last Jedi without going overboard but I might end up ranting.

Luke Skywalker
Seriously what have they done to him. I mean I understand what vibe they were going for, the bitter old man out look but come on this is Luke Skywalker. You don't suddenly change your personality and cares in life because you are tired. This was the dude who faced a massive Empire countless times, faced the mass murderer that was his father and STILL refused to kill him but "suddenly" decides to murder his own nephew despite him not yet turning? Sure, I can understand being tired and "keep me out of it" but going from saviour to potential MURDERER?? The Death Stars don't count as that is proper self preservation and self defense. If you want a comparison to what I mean look at Yoda. In the prequels we see a fairly calm and peaceful individual. By the time of Empire he's went a bit insane with old age and such but he still maintains the fundamental core of his personality. And he literally had to deal with comparatively worse stuff happening than Luke who many argue is the chosen one. Sorry you can't convince me that someone who stood in front of two mass murderers, two PROUD mass murderers and refused to kill them is going to try to kill his own nephew, no matter how briefly, because he MIGHT turn to the dark side. I mean talk about a snap judgement for anyone let alone Luke, no talking, no locking him up or disabling him no, MURDER. But the ending was cool when he force ghosted then...like died was cool then anti climatic.

Kylo Ren
I literally find this guy and his acting boring and subpar. But that's just me. Also I'm sort of tired of the "tortured soul" archetype and honestly I do not understand why he is tortured at all. He admires his Grandfather...who turned good but yet admires Vader despite the fact Vader turned to the light in the end. Ugh whatever. Honestly having read some of the EU books, I honestly expected much more than that. I mean you see characters go to the darkside for pretty deep reasons. His fight scene with Rey was cool but other than that was just got no vibe on why he would be so maniacal. I mean I know the scene with Luke was meant to portray it but again easily could have been a misunderstanding. I just felt no struggle other than maybe struggling against being a general maniacal bad guy.

Rose
OMG I feel so sorry for Tran over this, she got so much hate despite the fact she does not control how the movie goes, that's not her job. Her job is to play a part convincingly under direction from those actually in control. I think she did well. When you look at it, she's someone who is traumatised and grieving. They literally lingered on her sister so that we get this and understand that this is her current dilemma: her closest loved one has just died. She's there to portray how war isn't this thing to be glorified. Its horrible and its destructive and it costs so much life and trauma. I mean sure their side plot wasn't the greatest but again that was not the actor's fault. And the scene where she "denied Finn a cool death os she's awful" uhm what now? I'm sorry you are watching too much Michael Bay my friend. She's literally just lost her sister because of Poe's almost suicidal attack and she has bonded with Finn and has latched on to him in a realistic fashion and decides she doesn't want to lose him and suddenly that makes her character hateful? How very dare that grieving woman act out her emotions. I mean at least her actions were realistically understandable unlike the former two characters. And the hate this woman got like omg. I mean we can all criticise a piece of art without torturing people about their performances.

Leia
I didn't mind her surviving that attack. i mean they have always hinted that she has the force as she sensed Luke in Empire and such. What she was in, she was fine.

Poe
I wonder if this actor got as much hate as Tran when he inexplicably survived in Force Awakens. And omg this character got on my nerves. Did not respect chain of command at all. He's not owed an explanation from anyone. Just a spoiled brat. I hated his decision at the start of the movie that got a lot of people killed and his later decisions that again got a lot of people killed. I liked him in force Awakens at the start but this movie just no.
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Re: Official STAR WARS Thread

Unread postby Sun Fin » Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:29 am

I agree with you on Kylo Ren and also Tran. I think she did a good job of Rose who was a character I actually liked. Yes the arc she acted in was absolutely ridiculous, I really hated the casino story line, but I don't put that on the characters.

Where I fundamentally disagree with you is on Luke. Throughout history you can see people who made radical steps and took huge, principled risks in their youth who when they get older compromise and fold in a way they would never have in their youth. Archbishop Cranmer is just one such figure who comes to mind. Luke had watched people he cared about die to the dark side of the force, had stood up to it and believed he had conquered it forever. Then it rears its ugly head again. I can understand a moment of irrationality.

Also, I'm re-reading the EU now, Zahn is just an amazing writer.
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Re: Official STAR WARS Thread

Unread postby Sun Fin » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:34 pm

Say what you will about the prequel movies but Stover’s novel adaption of Revenge of the Sith is so good. I’ve just read the opening chapter and his bit about the legend of Kenobi and Skywalker just catches me right where it hurts, every single time. I will read the whole book half believing that this time Anakin might not turn, that Jedi will handle him better. Just beautifully written.
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Re: Official STAR WARS Thread

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:38 pm

I rather enjoyed The Last Jedi, seemed like it got fairly good reviews but a lot of the fanbase (and Russian bots) hated it, some of them going too far. I come into this as a very very very casual viewer, I watch the films, they tend to be nice enough. Simply not rehashing the same old story helps *coughforceawakenscough*, the action scenes were enjoyable and kept being different from each other, there was enough humour. I did feel it missed the Finn/Rey dynamics of first film (or I misremembered that) but Ben was a more enjoyable figure thanks to Ren and Hux. Poe I felt they did well till they wimped out the ending somewhat
it was great that the reckless flyboy isn't the hero, the cautious superiors are, far too rare an attitude. But Poe is still being a leader at the end, that shouldn't be happening. He should be in chains or murdered by his own side as soon as he tries to be a leader


Never got the dislike of Rose. I didn't particularly warm to the character, for reasons of writing, and the strand was a weak point but I didn't feel she was a negative in itself. But my sister liked her and felt she added to Finn's character arc+wider sense of rebellion community.

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Re: Official STAR WARS Thread

Unread postby Gray Riders » Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:29 am

I received Shadows Of The Empire by Steve Perry recently. I remember the old Nintendo 64 game and became curious about the original novel. Looking forward to it. :)
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Dong Zhou wrote:I rather enjoyed The Last Jedi, seemed like it got fairly good reviews but a lot of the fanbase (and Russian bots) hated it, some of them going too far.

If Cnet is right, the Russian troll thing got overplayed by a lot of news sources.
https://www.cnet.com/news/actually-half ... an-trolls/
The important quote:

Of the 206 negative comments, 61 were real people reported to have a political agenda, 11 were bots and only 33 appeared to be trolls. Of those 33, just 16 appeared to possess characteristics consistent with Russian troll accounts. In reality, less than one in 10 tweets were from Russian trolls -- nowhere near the 50 percent being widely reported.


I haven't seen the movie for various reasons and have no hate for it but I think it's worth pointing out when a scientific study is being widely misreported.
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Re: Official STAR WARS Thread

Unread postby Sun Fin » Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:33 am

Gray Riders wrote:I received Shadows Of The Empire by Steve Perry recently. I remember the old Nintendo 64 game and became curious about the original novel. Looking forward to it :) .


Ah! That’s one of my favourite books. In fact it would be my 2nd choice starting point for entering the EU. I’m sure you’ll love it and then you'll be one of us! :wink:

Incidentally I didn't know there was a game version of it?
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Re: Official STAR WARS Thread

Unread postby Gray Riders » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:55 pm

Sun Fin wrote:Ah! That’s one of my favourite books. In fact it would be my 2nd choice starting point for entering the EU. I’m sure you’ll love it and then you'll be one of us! :wink:

Thanks! I'm hoping to read the Thrawn trilogy after and take things from there.

Incidentally I didn't know there was a game version of it?

It was pretty big on the early Nintendo 64 (released half a year after Mario 64) for a while but a year later the N64 got Goldeneye and Star Wars got Dark Forces II, which both overshadowed it. It was an early third person 3D games so the controls are very clunky, though. I don't think it gets an especially good overview of the story, as you played exclusively as Dash Rendar.
It's notable for apparently being one of the earliest 3D games to have "honest geography" in one level (Gall Spaceport), where you enter and exit buildings without loading screens, meaning the interior and exterior actually match without any Tardis physics. Mostly those that played it remember that level for getting a jetpack and fighting Boba Fett, though. :lol:

It later got a PC port which is still available on Gog.com and Steam.
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Re: Official STAR WARS Thread

Unread postby Sun Fin » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:52 am

Gray Riders wrote:Thanks! I'm hoping to read the Thrawn trilogy after and take things from there.


YES! I love the Thrawn trilogy - Zahn is the best.

Gray Riders wrote:It later got a PC port which is still available on Gog.com and Steam.


Interesting... I might look into that!
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