Shen Ai wrote:Not a big fan of the Li Dian addition. His career seemed too short and his historical basis was too reserved to make that good of a character off of.
Antiochus wrote:Shen Ai wrote:Not a big fan of the Li Dian addition. His career seemed too short and his historical basis was too reserved to make that good of a character off of.
This will likely become a running theme of the Dynasty Warriors games if it goes on as a series...
Antiochus wrote:But interestingly, on a narrative point of view, I'm starting to think that the best way to make Dynasty Warriors better would be to find a way to do with Wu and Shu what was effectively done with Wei and Jin; cutting the long chronology of the Three Kingdoms in half. By separating Jin from Wei, they managed to make the Musou mode for Wei all about Cao Cao and give it more narrative cohesion, while making the second part about the Sima family (with a certain focus on Sima Zhao).
On the other hand,the Wu and Shu stories have a more scatter-shot approach, as they have more events to cover. It is especially jarring with Shu, as the transition feels pretty harsh after Fan Castle.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying those story modes are bad, but I think they lack the effectiveness of their Wei and Jin counterparts. Also, I am aware that this cut is simplified by the fact that Jin can be considered as its own kingdom, while, Zhuge Liang's regency is still Shu in every way.
I guess I would like to see those stories expanded as well, and they found a clever way to it with Wei.
Dong Zhou wrote:On Li Dian: I kind of assumed he got added in due to his role in Hefei, koei just completing the three set. I didn't think he was a bad potential add, a solid but unspectacular one, they went for something a bit different then I was guessing. I would say he is fine but not memorable.
On narrative, I tend to find Shu's problems to be that it can be guilty of forgetting the characters are human and not propaganda robots. I agree the shift between Liu Bei's era to Zhuge Liang's could be far better though. With Wu, they sometimes lack a big charismatic driving figure in the latter stages of the playable story and so it peters out as I'm not following Sun Quan with much fondness. Wu does quite well transition from leader to leader (I felt Jin did well in that in 7, not so well in 8).
In terms of the latter era, it would be fun to play as late Shu or late Wu. Right now, late Shu is done reasonably well given it is only seen through Jin eyes, late Wei and Wu on the other hand... I think a set cut off point and then a "latter Shu" or "latter Wu" story would be a good idea.
Antiochus wrote:I agree on both count.
Though I wonder which Cao Zhen it would be. According to the SGZ, he did rather well (all things considered), while the book mostly uses him to make Sima Yi look good in comparison. But there is something to be said about a commander who effectively delegate and who is beloved by his soldiers...
As for Li Dian, I always assumed he was made playable for two reason:
1- He is too closely associated with Yue Jin not to become playable when he did.
2- Dynasty warriors is built around battles rather than characters (in terms of gameplay). This is why it is easier to make characters out of Pang De and Li Dian rather than Chen Qun, Jiang Wan or Zhuge Jin. And Li Dian was present in one of the key battles that can serve as a turning point for Wu and Wei.
Same hereShen Ai wrote:@Dong Zhou I definitely lose all interest in Wu after Zhou Yu's death. In DW7 especially, Sun Jian and Sun Ce are so charismatic, and Sun Quan with his bad voice acting and rather Liu Bei-lite personality feels like a letdown.
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